And ultimately the Thunder – spoiler alert here – sunk itself and all the crew were rescued. And all sorts of dramatic stuff happened in the interim. And they found these guys – nets in the water – and proceeded to chase them for 110 days all across the planet. You know, they found the Thunder, which was at that time ranked the top worst illegal fishing vessel on the planet, $67 million worth of illicit catch. we’re going to go after these guys and we’re going to find them wherever they are, and we’re going to chase them and harangue them and draw a lot of media attention on them and sort of show how broken the system is.Īnd they succeeded. Does that illustrate some hope for holding the illegal fishing operators to account? One episode features the nonprofit group Sea Shepherd chasing down a ship on Interpol’s wanted list for illegal fishing. And a lot of people are doing lots of things in different places, in individual fights, in individual battles. Do I think it’s unsolvable? No, I think there are lots of ways in which things can be done to mitigate the disaster and better govern. But that doesn’t mean we have the luxury of being demoralized. As we talk about that, I hope to get more positive, but does the stress on the oceans amount to a disaster in the making? So you have a seven-part podcast with the goal of shedding light on these varied challenges that are so often out of sight, out of mind. He says illegal activity on seas and oceans can be reduced by more effectively using the tools of news media coverage, advocacy, and the law. Ian Urbina sits in front of a Greek-owned fishing trawler featured in a story about poaching in Somali waters. We’re starting to realize, oh, just because it’s big doesn’t mean it’s utterly durable. It’s so big, “dilution is the solution to pollution” was the mantra throughout the ’70s and ’80s. There is this misconception that it’s ever regenerating. The oceans are also a temperature stabilizer of our body, you know, of the body planet. So not just fish, but iPhones and, you know, tennis shoes and grain and oil. If you think of it as the commercial circulatory system, 80% of our commerce gets to us cheaply and efficiently. The lungs of the planet – 50% of the air we breathe – are cleaned by the oceans. I mean, if you think of the planet Earth as a living organism, maybe metaphorically. Many of us might feel like, well, my connection with the ocean is when I buy some fish for dinner. The catch is being all loaded on a fourth. The guys working in there, getting abused, are from a third.
A lot of them have signed contracts in languages they don’t even speak.Ĭan a Democrat win over rural Ohio? Tim Ryan gives it a shot.Īnd the boss of the is from one country. Most often the victims of those sorts of crimes are poor, are folks from developing nations. The reality of the high seas is it’s so incredibly sprawling, two-thirds of the planet.Īnd then when it comes specifically to the category of abuses of crimes that pertain to people – murder on camera and slavery and abuse of stowaways and wage theft and abandonment of crew, you know, all these human rights and labor abuses – a contributing factor to that subcategory of crimes is who’s getting harmed.
You explore what you call the “outlaw ocean.” Why are oceans so different from land – and so difficult to police?įrom the perspective of governance, you have this situation where the high seas belong to everyone and no one, and therefore jurisdictionally it’s an unusually complicated, murky space. In an interview with the Monitor’s Mark Trumbull, he discussed the issues that make oceans important and why, in his words, “I’m going to double down on this.” He also points to paths toward solutions – and hope. The comments have been edited for length.
Host Ian Urbina talked with us about solutions. A new podcast explores difficult ocean issues that are both above and below the waterline, from slavery to fishery depletion.
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